Seen it all now...

[Mike772]

While roofing a home in this development, another new home was getting roofed right next door. The roofers were a sub, non-English speaking Mexicans. It isn't there speaking skills, it's their roofing skills that made me write this. They were using their hammer-tackers to hold the drip edge and to shingle with. Now, maybe I'm old fashioned, but I still use 1 1/4" shingle nails to fasten shingles. Not a 5/16" Duofast.
So if that isn't a "horror", I don't know what is.
The funny thing is the GC from that house came over and bragged about the time it took to shingle his vs the time I had in mine. I bit my lip about his quality and was just polite to the guy.

[VALENT]

I'm sure the other roof will be perfectly fine unless you'll get rain, wind or sun up there too. You have got to be kidding.

[TnAndy]

The funny thing is the GC from that house came over and bragged about the time it took to shingle his vs the time I had in mine. I bit my lip about his quality and was just polite to the guy.


You're a better man than me......although I probably wouldn't have gone looking for someone to rat out the roofers, if the twit had come over bragging about his shingle job, I'd have flat laughed in his face and asked him what he planned to do when the roof peeled off a month or two after the owners moved in. Fricking idiot deserves the lawsuit he is gonna get.....probably the rest of his house is equally chickenpoop.

[rabadger]

Th guys going to get away with it.

Wind, then the call to contractor, contractor says, this is a insurance job, and the owners will not know the difference.

I hope the insurance adjuster is good at roofs. Maybe he will see it.

[roger g]

I used one of those hammer tackers once on a house that I owned. Can't remember how big the staples were though though I do remember having to constantly clean the thing in solvent every so often. Anyways, it was about a 6/12 or 5/12 roof and the last time I saw it, the shingles were still on it after 10 -12 years.
Just an observation.


roger

[rabadger]

Maybe I am wrong! It will not be the first time! Where's grumpy when you need him?

[roger g]

I don't think you are wrong I just give what I have done


roger

[VALENT]

roger g, really? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here. Are we talking about those hammer staplers that are commonly used for insulation and use regular staples that come in the small boxes of 5000 staples?(or 2000 staples or whatever based on size)

[Mike772]

Those hammer staplers (Duo-fast) are the ones I'm talking about. I would have never dreamed anyone would use them for shingling, other than ice/water or felt installation. These guys were attatching the D-edge and shingles with them. We stood on our roof and watched in complete disbelief. I do wished I took some Spanish in high school to know what their comments were about . They would point over to us and talk amoung themselves. Just woulda been currious to know what they were saying.

Anyways, yes that GC's subs for the most part are all like that. The framers failed their inspection, twice. And you should see the roof "plane" when the sun hits it, ROFLMAO kind of funny.
Siding crew installed Hardi without caulking the butt seems. (Painters never caulked a thinig) Pertruding exterior trim wasn't flashed above it.
The concrete crew poured stamped & colored concrete at the front of the house under the coverd porch. (Did an outstanding job, btw) The siding crew set their ladders on the uncured concrete that same day to install siding in that same area. Perminant ladder marks and footprints.
The tapers never sanded any of their taping.

This same GC came over to the house I was working on when I was in the trim stage. He would always just walk over and give me sht because I didn't sub out much. (It was like a race or something to him) He just walks in and looks around the place for a bit. Walks over to were I was working and asked who did the drywall & taping. I told him I did and he asked how do you get your corners so tight. I laughed and said how do you not, it's new construction. He was looking around some more and asked how do I get the miters so tight and closed. I just looked at him and said that's why I frame, drywall, roof, tape and trim.

[Dormer_man]

Are there building codes for how to attach shingles? It sounds like there are none, otherwise some inspector would stop this travesty.

[Cole]

Si era yo, yo habria dicho el GC lejos.

[Dormer_man]

Huh? If you build it, they will come?

[roger g]

clap clap clap very funny d'man. Hmmmmm demon.

Yo Valent. That's the stapler I used. As I said I can't remember how big the staples were but I bet they were at least 3/4 inch. When you think of it though, after a hot summer the shingles would all be stuck together and it would take something to peel it off. Sure the odd tab might come off but they can come off regardless how big the fasteners are.
I wouldn't necessarily advise people to use it buy it did in fact work for me.


roger

[VALENT]

I've always believed that the shingles sticking together after some major heat would be a very big portion of their strength, BUT it sure seems a big wind would be able to pull off that entire roof covering. Down here, there arent even that many roofs being put on with the roofing staples anymore because of their inability to hold during storms. I truly cannot even imagine a hammer stapler applied roof lasting.

[Rich]

I truly cannot even imagine a hammer stapler applied roof lasting.

Ditto.

[Tom R]

At least if a good windstorm comes along, - - we won't have to worry about a 'partial' blow-off!! :lol:

[roger g]

Now, now guys. You have to admit it that until I said that I had actually done a roof with one of the staple thingies you really didn't believe a roof will last very long. After all how many of us had seen something and said "it'll never work" and lo and behold it did. Learning something new is a wonderful thing ain't it.

Yo Valent. I used to own property in the Rockport/Fulton area and you guys do get some big winds.


roger