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Mike44
01-05-2010, 09:36 PM
Hey guys, Happy New Year!

Just wanted to share a little project that I did. Actually, I built it two summers ago in 08, but never got around to taking the 'final' pictures until now (had some problems with the lights, which I’ll explain later). Basically what I made is is a dropped, or lowered, part of the ceiling over the kitchen island where 2 lights are hung from. Originally when we bought the house, the home owner had the electricians install 2 recessed can fixtures over the island. They were nice where they were, but the problem was that the fixtures were centered to the middle of the cabinet you see there on the left in the 2nd picture, and not centered over the island. This didn't really matter with the recessed cans, but we wanted to change these lights to hanging pendant lights, so you can't really have the hanging lights un-centered on the island. Plus, I needed to have octagon boxes in the ceiling to mount the pendants. So here's what I did to get from the recessed can lights to the hanging pendant lights...while adding some value to the kitchen too with the extra dropped box feature over the island :).

So I drew up a plan to get organized. Here's my chicken scratch.
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In the top right sketch, you can see how the new fixtures had to be pulled back about 10" to be centered over the island. I also planned on using crown moulding to skirt the box (in the bottom sketch); I wanted to use the same kind we already had going around our kitchen which dropped down from the ceiling 3”. I couldn’t use 2x4’s then for the frame since they would hang down too low past the crown moulding. So I went with 2x3’s – that gave me 2½” of drop, and a ½” sheet of drywall would get me up to the 3”. Then I planned on using a door jamb strip just to cover the joint between the drywall and the moulding. You’ll see what I mean in the pictures.

So I started after work one day around 6. Here’s our kitchen before.
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Mike44
01-05-2010, 09:37 PM
Here’s the old lights pulled out. Whew, typical switch leg – no weird surprises with the wiring :D.
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Holy !@#$ this was honestly the hardest part. Trying to hold this damn frame up on the ceiling while aligning it!!!! This part probably would have been much easier with a second person, but I finally managed to get it up there with a helper stick and some kind of handy extending pole thing. I made sure to screw it right into the joists and strapping with 4" screws.
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Mike44
01-05-2010, 09:38 PM
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Here’s the electrical pulled through and wired up.
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Mike44
01-05-2010, 09:38 PM
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In the previous picture, you can see that the existing light fixture hole is outside of the new frame. This hole will just be covered with the crown moulding though. It was definitely a better choice to leave the hole and cover it with moulding rather than trying to patch it and have it exposed and than having to repaint the whole ceiling (that ceiling is also continuous with our dining room too, so it would have been the worst to have to repaint).

Okay, so the drywall is all cut and put up – had use those handy sticks again while screwing it on (they work very well for this). Yeah okay, maybe a bit overkill with the screws, but hey, once I got going it was actually kinda fun! :mrgreen:
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Mike44
01-05-2010, 09:42 PM
Screws mudded over. After letting the mud dry for a bit (and helping it out with a blow dryer :D), I primed it and put on the first coat of ceiling paint.
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Alright, so the first piece of crown moulding is up at around 10 pm. **Note that if you want to do something like this in a room, put on your first and/or second coat of paint on the moulding BEFORE cutting and putting it up (you probably don’t need to prime it since it usually comes pre-primed). This saves you a lot of trouble later because then you only need to go around the ceiling once after the moulding is up and put on the last coat of paint.
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Then I cut the next piece…..damn, too short

Re-cut it…..too long….re-cut it….okay it’ll do.

Next piece….waay too long…..re-cut it……!@#$!!@# TOO SHORT!!!

Geez, I knew that crown moulding was difficult to do, but I didn’t think it was THAT difficult!! At 12am though, I was glad that I had bought twice the amount of moulding that I actually needed…….because I used it all!! I must say though, it was good experience to try it for the first time – and I actually got the hang of it on my last few cuts. Too bad I didn’t have somewhere else to practice it first though, but it still turned out pretty good I think. I also had fun using the brad nailer too.
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Mike44
01-05-2010, 09:44 PM
You can see in the profile shot here that I have the crown moulding, then a door jamb strip to cover the joint between the moulding and the edge of the drywall. It works well to hide it and makes the crown moulding look more substantial.
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/9025/81421832.jpg

Nail holes filled in and covered and final paint……done at 2 am!! I was so tired I didn’t even clean up…I had work the next day at 6 am….which, of course, I was late for :twisted:….by 2 hours.
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Mike44
01-05-2010, 09:45 PM
But anyways, here’s the final product. We picked up these lights in Toronto from Union Lighting I think??
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3852/73979075.jpg

(btw, I wouldn’t suggest buying these lights – even though they look decent, they are way too cheap and we had numerous problems with the lights; we had them replaced 3 times before they finally worked!!! First time we bought the lights, the tranformers were shauty and made the lights flicker, then after we replaced them, one of the lights was arcing at the bulb socket, then after we replaced the light again, the amber colour of the glass on that light was flaking off, then after the third replacement, it was finally alright. I forget the name of the company, but if you see the light, stay away from it and that company!!!!)

**Another tip here: don’t draw on flat ceiling paint with pencil and then try to erase it!!!!!!!! I learned the hard way. Look in the next picture; you can see an erased square around the light box where I penciled in the shape of the kitchen island counter top. Yeah, it didn’t erase so well; the pencil is all gone, but there is a shiny streak where the eraser went. In the right light, it really stands out but it’s not too bad. I even used a Staedtler eraser thinking that it would work well, but I guess not.

Mike44
01-05-2010, 09:46 PM
Anyways, here are some more final pictures.
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So I hope you guys liked this. I certainly had fun making this light box! If you have a question, go ahead and ask!!

Mike

tooltroll
01-07-2010, 12:50 PM
Nicely done, Mike!

Mike44
01-08-2010, 07:03 PM
Hey, thanks!

Mike

RTF
01-09-2010, 02:47 PM
Good job Mike

zeeshan66
09-21-2010, 10:50 AM
wow that came out superb! elegant and very classy